[IBL] Transactions thru today

[Chris Hartjes]

It wasn't the only offer -- I sent Doug one.

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> On Feb 2, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Mike Monostra <monostram1 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Personally, I created a draft pick value chart (basically an IBL-version of a pick value chart NFL and NBA teams use to trade picks) to help make decision on pick-for-pick trades and the trade above doesn't add up on the chart. 
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> At the same time, Brent brought up a point I hadn't considered. A pick is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If Greg's offer was the only one Doug received, then his options are a) accept the trade or b) let the picks go to waste. That sort of changes everything. If were higher valued picks, it'd be a bigger issue honestly. 
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>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Brent Cunningham <gettysburg.generals at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Personally, I don't think it's fair.  I understand that they were unusable picks, and in fact Doug emailed me asking if I could use them, so maybe he took the only offer he got; but a #8 next year in exchange for both of them?  That certainly seems unbalanced.  Certainly COU could have given up COU #6 (2016) to make it a more balanced trade in everyone's eyes.  That said, supply and demand, right?  A pick(s) worth what someone will pay for it.
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>> However, I also believe that trades between guys with as much experience shouldn't be protested unless there is obvious collusion between the two.  If Doug's OK with it, it's his team, and he's done a fine job rebuilding it in my opinion.
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>> Just my .02
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>> -Brent
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>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Noel Steere <noel.steere at rcn.com> wrote:
>>> It's certainly not a frictionless market, but I think if 1-2 were up for sale there'd be a lot more interested buyers.  This is an unfortunate situation where it's not worth the effort for most of us to engage in the picks, so the only bird gets the worm, at a discount rate.
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Feb 2, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Mike Monostra <monostram1 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> I agree with you Larry, I was just stating why I believe the trade was made.
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>>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Larry Selleck <lms4th at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does that then mean that if someone is not using their #1 that it then has the same vale as a #8 in 2016? Using that logic, that would mean that if MCM had no use for the 2nd pick in the draft (CHA Abreu), he should of just traded it for a late round pick the following year ... So would you trade Abreu for a late round pick?  That is the reasoning be used here, I simply used an extreme example.
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>>>>> A pick in any round has an inherent value equivalent to the level of player/prospect you are able to generally select in that round.  Because can individual does not need that pick does not automatically mean that pick suddenly has no value.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can see the logic in the sense that "if I'm not going to use something might as well let someone else have it.". That is simply being generous, however in this league there is the concept of fair value and trades are loosely evaluated on the  fairness, or equality, of both sides of the deal.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess if everyone else think it is equal and fair, then I stand corrected ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>> 
>>>>> From:"Mike Monostra" <monostram1 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date:Mon, 2 Feb, 2015 at 15:46
>>>>> Subject:Re: [IBL] Transactions thru today
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm assuming BAL made the trade because they aren't using either of the #6 picks. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> NJR Mike
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Larry Selleck <lms4th at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Did I read that correctly?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> BAL Trades BAL#6 (15), GTY#6 (15) to COU for COU#8 (16)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Trading two number 6 picks for a number 8 in 2016 can't possibly be an even trade be any definition I can think of.  Must be a mistake.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: IBL Registrar <registrar at ibl.org>
>>>>>> To: members at ibl.org 
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2015, 18:00
>>>>>> Subject: [IBL] Transactions thru today
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I missed any or any mistakes just tell me, I'll get them corrected.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> BAL    -- Trades PAD#6 (15) to CAN for CAN#6 (16)
>>>>>> -- Trades BAL#6 (15), GTY#6 (15) to COU for COU#8 (16)
>>>>>> BOW    -- Drafts MIN Santana 1st Round (15)
>>>>>> CAN    -- Trades CAN#6 (16) to BAL for PAD#6 (15)
>>>>>> -- Trades MAD#4 (15), NYK#5 (15), SEA#2 (15) to MOR for MOR#3 (15),  
>>>>>> MOR#4 (15), MOR#5 (15)
>>>>>> COU    -- Trades COU#1 (15) to PAD for PAD#2 (15), PAD#5 (16)
>>>>>> -- Trades COU#8 (15), MAD#8 (15) to HAV for HAV#8 (16)
>>>>>> -- Trades COU#8 (16) to BAL for BAL#6 (15), GTY#6 (15)
>>>>>> -- Trades COU#3 (16), PAD#5 (16) to PAD for WAS LaRoche
>>>>>> GTY    -- Trades TEX Rios to SDQ for SDQ#3 (16)
>>>>>> HAV    -- Trades HAV#8 (16) to COU for COU#8 (15), MAD#8 (15)
>>>>>> KAT    -- Trades COU#5 (15), KAT#5 (15) to ODM for ODM#4 (16)
>>>>>> MNM    -- Trades MNM#4 (15), POR#4 (15) to MOR for MIL Weeks
>>>>>> MOR    -- Trades MOR#3 (15), MOR#4 (15), MOR#5 (15) to CAN for MAD#4  
>>>>>> (15), NYK#5 (15), SEA#2 (15)
>>>>>> -- Trades MIL Weeks to MNM for MNM#4 (15), POR#4 (15)
>>>>>> NYK    -- Trades DET MartinezV. to PAD for PAD#1 (16)
>>>>>> -- Trades NYK#1 (15), NYK#2 (16) to SEA for SD Grandal, SEA#4 (15)
>>>>>> ODM    -- Trades ODM#4 (16) to KAT for COU#5 (15), KAT#5 (15)
>>>>>> -- Trades ODM#3 (16), ODM#9 (15) to SFP for COL delaRosa
>>>>>> PAD    -- Trades PAD#1 (16) to NYK for DET MartinezV.
>>>>>> -- Trades WAS LaRoche to COU for COU#3 (16), PAD#5 (16)
>>>>>> -- Trades PAD#2 (15), PAD#5 (16) to COU for COU#1 (15)
>>>>>> -- Drafts BOS Vazquez 1st Round (15)
>>>>>> PHI    -- Drafts TB Kiermaier 1st Round (15)
>>>>>> POR    -- Trades MAD#3 (15) to SDQ for LAA Freese
>>>>>> -- Trades SDQ#2 (15) to WMS for SF Morse
>>>>>> SDQ    -- Trades SDQ#3 (16) to GTY for TEX Rios
>>>>>> -- Drafts SD Hahn 1st Round (15)
>>>>>> -- Trades LAA Freese to POR for MAD#3 (15)
>>>>>> SEA    -- Drafts BOS Castillo 1st Round (15)
>>>>>> -- Drafts NYA Betances 1st Round (15)
>>>>>> -- Trades SD Grandal, SEA#4 (15) to NYK for NYK#1 (15), NYK#2 (16)
>>>>>> SFP    -- Trades COL delaRosa to ODM for ODM#3 (16), ODM#9 (15)
>>>>>> WMS    -- Trades SF Morse to POR for SDQ#2 (15)
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