[IBL] Transactions thru today

[Michael Neff]

Take into consideration that Doug had health issues and was out for a bit.
Is the trade one sided?  Yes, I think everyone including Doug knows that.
But it's two 6th rounders, which don't have a great amount of value and had
no value to Doug
On Feb 2, 2015 8:45 PM, "Chris Hartjes" <chartjes at littlehart.net> wrote:

> It wasn't the only offer -- I sent Doug one.
>
> Sent from my GrumpyPhone
>
> On Feb 2, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Mike Monostra <monostram1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Personally, I created a draft pick value chart (basically an IBL-version
> of a pick value chart NFL and NBA teams use to trade picks) to help make
> decision on pick-for-pick trades and the trade above doesn't add up on the
> chart.
>
> At the same time, Brent brought up a point I hadn't considered. A pick is
> only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If Greg's offer was the
> only one Doug received, then his options are a) accept the trade or b) let
> the picks go to waste. That sort of changes everything. If were higher
> valued picks, it'd be a bigger issue honestly.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Brent Cunningham <
> gettysburg.generals at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Personally, I don't think it's fair.  I understand that they were
>> unusable picks, and in fact Doug emailed me asking if I could use them, so
>> maybe he took the only offer he got; but a #8 next year in exchange for
>> both of them?  That certainly seems unbalanced.  Certainly COU could have
>> given up COU #6 (2016) to make it a more balanced trade in everyone's
>> eyes.  That said, supply and demand, right?  A pick(s) worth what someone
>> will pay for it.
>>
>> However, I also believe that trades between guys with as much experience
>> shouldn't be protested unless there is obvious collusion between the two.
>> If Doug's OK with it, it's his team, and he's done a fine job rebuilding it
>> in my opinion.
>>
>> Just my .02
>>
>> -Brent
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Noel Steere <noel.steere at rcn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's certainly not a frictionless market, but I think if 1-2 were up for
>>> sale there'd be a lot more interested buyers.  This is an unfortunate
>>> situation where it's not worth the effort for most of us to engage in the
>>> picks, so the only bird gets the worm, at a discount rate.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 2, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Mike Monostra <monostram1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with you Larry, I was just stating why I believe the trade was
>>> made.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Larry Selleck <lms4th at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does that then mean that if someone is not using their #1 that it then
>>>> has the same vale as a #8 in 2016? Using that logic, that would mean
>>>> that if MCM had no use for the 2nd pick in the draft (CHA Abreu), he
>>>> should of just traded it for a late round pick the following year ...
>>>> So would you trade Abreu for a late round pick?  That is the reasoning
>>>> be used here, I simply used an extreme example.
>>>>
>>>> A pick in any round has an inherent value equivalent to the level of
>>>> player/prospect you are able to generally select in that round.  Because
>>>> can individual does not need that pick does not automatically mean that
>>>> pick suddenly has no value.
>>>>
>>>> I can see the logic in the sense that "if I'm not going to use
>>>> something might as well let someone else have it.". That is simply
>>>> being generous, however in this league there is the concept of fair
>>>> value and trades are loosely evaluated on the  fairness, or equality,
>>>> of both sides of the deal.
>>>>
>>>> I guess if everyone else think it is equal and fair, then I stand
>>>> corrected ...
>>>>
>>>> *Cheers*
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>>>>   From:"Mike Monostra" <monostram1 at gmail.com>
>>>> Date:Mon, 2 Feb, 2015 at 15:46
>>>> Subject:Re: [IBL] Transactions thru today
>>>>
>>>> I'm assuming BAL made the trade because they aren't using either of the
>>>> #6 picks.
>>>>
>>>> NJR Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Larry Selleck <lms4th at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Did I read that correctly?
>>>>>
>>>>> BAL Trades BAL#6 (15), GTY#6 (15) to COU for COU#8 (16)
>>>>>
>>>>> Trading two number 6 picks for a number 8 in 2016 can't possibly be an
>>>>> even trade be any definition I can think of.  Must be a mistake.
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry
>>>>>
>>>>>   ------------------------------
>>>>>  *From:* IBL Registrar <registrar at ibl.org>
>>>>> *To:* members at ibl.org
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 1 February 2015, 18:00
>>>>> *Subject:* [IBL] Transactions thru today
>>>>>
>>>>> If I missed any or any mistakes just tell me, I'll get them corrected.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BAL    -- Trades PAD#6 (15) to CAN for CAN#6 (16)
>>>>> -- Trades BAL#6 (15), GTY#6 (15) to COU for COU#8 (16)
>>>>> BOW    -- Drafts MIN Santana 1st Round (15)
>>>>> CAN    -- Trades CAN#6 (16) to BAL for PAD#6 (15)
>>>>> -- Trades MAD#4 (15), NYK#5 (15), SEA#2 (15) to MOR for MOR#3 (15),
>>>>> MOR#4 (15), MOR#5 (15)
>>>>> COU    -- Trades COU#1 (15) to PAD for PAD#2 (15), PAD#5 (16)
>>>>> -- Trades COU#8 (15), MAD#8 (15) to HAV for HAV#8 (16)
>>>>> -- Trades COU#8 (16) to BAL for BAL#6 (15), GTY#6 (15)
>>>>> -- Trades COU#3 (16), PAD#5 (16) to PAD for WAS LaRoche
>>>>> GTY    -- Trades TEX Rios to SDQ for SDQ#3 (16)
>>>>> HAV    -- Trades HAV#8 (16) to COU for COU#8 (15), MAD#8 (15)
>>>>> KAT    -- Trades COU#5 (15), KAT#5 (15) to ODM for ODM#4 (16)
>>>>> MNM    -- Trades MNM#4 (15), POR#4 (15) to MOR for MIL Weeks
>>>>> MOR    -- Trades MOR#3 (15), MOR#4 (15), MOR#5 (15) to CAN for MAD#4
>>>>> (15), NYK#5 (15), SEA#2 (15)
>>>>> -- Trades MIL Weeks to MNM for MNM#4 (15), POR#4 (15)
>>>>> NYK    -- Trades DET MartinezV. to PAD for PAD#1 (16)
>>>>> -- Trades NYK#1 (15), NYK#2 (16) to SEA for SD Grandal, SEA#4 (15)
>>>>> ODM    -- Trades ODM#4 (16) to KAT for COU#5 (15), KAT#5 (15)
>>>>> -- Trades ODM#3 (16), ODM#9 (15) to SFP for COL delaRosa
>>>>> PAD    -- Trades PAD#1 (16) to NYK for DET MartinezV.
>>>>> -- Trades WAS LaRoche to COU for COU#3 (16), PAD#5 (16)
>>>>> -- Trades PAD#2 (15), PAD#5 (16) to COU for COU#1 (15)
>>>>> -- Drafts BOS Vazquez 1st Round (15)
>>>>> PHI    -- Drafts TB Kiermaier 1st Round (15)
>>>>> POR    -- Trades MAD#3 (15) to SDQ for LAA Freese
>>>>> -- Trades SDQ#2 (15) to WMS for SF Morse
>>>>> SDQ    -- Trades SDQ#3 (16) to GTY for TEX Rios
>>>>> -- Drafts SD Hahn 1st Round (15)
>>>>> -- Trades LAA Freese to POR for MAD#3 (15)
>>>>> SEA    -- Drafts BOS Castillo 1st Round (15)
>>>>> -- Drafts NYA Betances 1st Round (15)
>>>>> -- Trades SD Grandal, SEA#4 (15) to NYK for NYK#1 (15), NYK#2 (16)
>>>>> SFP    -- Trades COL delaRosa to ODM for ODM#3 (16), ODM#9 (15)
>>>>> WMS    -- Trades SF Morse to POR for SDQ#2 (15)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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