[IBL] A Couple First-Year Reflections (MNM)

Nelson Lu nlu at cs.stanford.edu
Mon Dec 8 00:29:54 EST 2014


It depends, however.  Often time the result of wanting to “simplify” means overly vague MISes, which merely means that the home manager is left without clear indications as to what to do, and creates problems.  “Simplicity” is good if it doesn’t cause complications for the home manager; it’s not such a good thing when it basically transfers work that the road manager should be doing to the home manager.

> On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:59 AM, Matt Sivertson <mattsivertson at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hey David. I agree with the request for simpler MISs. The difference between a simpler MIS and a more complex one isn't going to affect wins very much, and having a simple MIS makes it so much more enjoyable and faster to play. 
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> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 6:25 AM, genny <genny429 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all - Hope this finds everyone well.  I wanted to jot down some thoughts/questions after year 1 as an IBL owner of MNM.  Nothing earth-shattering by any means.
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> First, it has been a really fun experience.  The game is terrific, and all the owners I've played or dealt with have been great.  Pretty cool what you all have built over many years.  Thanks for letting me be a part of it.
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> My thoughts/questions are prompted by a question you probably all face: how to keep participating in this unique and immersive experience in balance with other obligations.  I had difficulty at times last year getting games played, often needed an extension, and then found myself playing 2-3 games very late on work-nights via MIS.  It also led to pretty indifferent play of MNM, with an eye on finishing each week as the biggest priority.  Some of it is time-management, but much less than you'd think, with two kids and what seems like a second and third job coaching traveling baseball and softball for their teams.  Spring through August are just crazy.
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> So toward the end of last year, I discussed with Sean in reflection on whether this was a good time in my life to play IBL.  Sean, as always, was awesome.  Tried to line up a co-owner, who was great as well, but ultimately fell to the same home-work-family-IBL balance struggles I was having.  
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> Now, in the rhythm of IBL, all seems well.  I like the offseason, have talked trade with many of you, and look forward to the draft.  I hope to make a go of it again next season, but I know the balance struggles will inevitably return - with a vengeance.     
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> So, there were two general areas I wanted to ask about:
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> Can I improve how I play:  Not the team management side - lots of room for improvement there :) - but the nuts-and-bolts.  Here's how I do it:
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> I play with two computer monitors.  On one, I pull up PDFs of each pitcher's card on half the screen and enlarge so easily readable.  I use those instead of the cards themselves to read results off the pitcher's card.  On the other screen, I have IRC open, and at this point I have been doing grs as I play and have that open too, toggling back and forth at the end of each half-inning to fill-in the results on grs or as otherwise makes sense.
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> When playing via MIS, I either have it open or print it out beforehand and use the hard copy.
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> I use paper copies of the charts and hard copies of each team's cards.
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> Early on, I kept a scoresheet and did grs afterwards, but felt doing grs at the same time streamlined it a bit.
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> Question:  How have any of you built a better mousetrap?  Anything you do before the game starts to make things run more smoothly (i.e. faster) when playing, most particularly via MIS?   
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> Would it help to try to come up with a common MIS form/standards:  All the MIS forms of owners made sense in their own way, and many seemed to be modifications of others.  But as a result, some, including the one I cut-and-pasted together from others I saw, take on a Frankenstein-like character of bolted-on parts.  It often made playing a different MIS week a bit of a chore (playing via ftf is the answer of course, but just tough to find mutually convenient time to do that each week).
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> In addition, some are just hard to play.  For example, some of the hit-and-run conditions included calculating the number of HGs and Ks on the pitcher and hitter's card along with the ASR, and then using hit-and-run depending on the HG and K totals.  That's relatively time-consuming endeavor for a single play call, and it has to be rinsed and repeated each time a different hitter's card is subject to a possible hit-and-run.  
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> It leads me to wonder if it would be helpful to come up with a standard MIS form with some substantive parameters.  
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> As to form, I am not a great computer guy, but perhaps a standard MS Word or Excel format, with links/tabs to move easily around a uniform template.  Many of you may have ideas about a common template/form that each owner could fill out, providing a uniform experience for other owners in playing and negotiating MIS forms.  
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> It also could serve to define the parameters of what is allowable/expected.  For example, if an owner would like the opponent to total HGs and Ks on cards, and that was deemed a reasonable part of an MIS (and I can see why it would be), require the owner making the request to include the HG/K totals of each of his possible hit-and-run hitters so the opposition does not have to add them up.  The requesting owner need only do that once, whereas the playing owners rotate every week.
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> One limitation on this idea, even if it has merit, is time.  I would be happy to collect ideas, start from a template that there is some consensus already implements MIS reasonably well, canvass the various MIS and survey what sorts of information/variation is found between various owners' MIS forms, and/or take other information-gathering approaches, so everyone can weigh in.  If that sounds interesting (!) to anyone else, happy to help.  Or would welcome a hand in that, and may need a hand in actually creating the computer side of any agreed upon form.   
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> Well, anyway, you guys get it.  And if the verdict is that MIS standardization isn't worth the time and effort, no worries at all.  Not at all sure how much easier/faster it would make MIS play, but thought I'd throw it out there.
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> Thanks much everyone for any thoughts, and thanks again for all the collegiality during my first IBL year.  Have a great rest of the weekend!
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> - David
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