<div dir="ltr">My question about 2004-02 would be whether injuries do really even out? Based on the data Sean sent me, it appeared that the high injury guys were far and away carrying the league-wide injury burden in terms of percentage of injury time relative to expected injury time, and the lower to mid injury guys were not meeting their "fair share" of injuries relative to their actual injury numbers. To me, the issue isn't whether the high injury guys should be injured more often or for longer stretches (because of course they are and would continue to do so under the proposed rule), but whether they are more likely to go beyond their "fair share?"<div><br></div><div>In the data Sean sent me (2019), I looked at the players with between 80-120 injury days and more than 200 PA/BF in MLB These are all guys who had moderate to substantial roles on their MLB team despite their time lost to injury. Call them brittle contributors if you will. Of these players, only 6 of 18 (35%) even hit their 75% usage and only 2 of 18 were able to make 100% usage. Just my opinion, but these guys are already paying a steep and fair price by being limited...but shouldn't they at least have a chance to get to 100% of their actual usage? Of these 16 players that did not make 100% usage, 5 were hurt a second time, but with many, it was most likely a case of IBL teams knowing they just couldn't play them under the current rules, so they limited them to key moments, saved them for the playoffs, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>I did not include the 120+ guys, simply because one injury basically tanks their season, as frankly, it should. </div><div><br></div><div><div>Remember, injury prone players will still have the big injury numbers either way and will continue to be at risk, but I think the question is whether they should be as likely to hit that second big injury again? The rule, as proposed, does not take away the long injuries, but just changes their likelihood of happening again from 80% (as INJ 3) to 40% (as INJ 7) on the injury chart, and gives teams at least a fair option of trying to get them to that 100% usage on the season, as moderate as those numbers may be, which under the current system, is very, very difficult to reach</div></div><div><br></div><div>Just thinking out loud to clarify my vote...carry on and enjoy your weekend.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 24, 2024 at 6:00 PM Joel Roberts via Members <<a href="mailto:members@lists.ibl.org">members@lists.ibl.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">Aside from 2024-01, which I have strong feelings about (YES), I really only have strong opinions about a few:</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">2024-02 I'm a no on this, even though I have a player who got hit once at 100% and twice at 50% this season. Injuries even out. Some players with DL days never get hit and some get hit twice. Those are the breaks.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">2024-07 Strong YES. This is awesome and long overdue. In real life, if you have two (IBL qualified) LF and no RF, you wouldn't be constrained to play them both at LF and trade for a RF. You would move one to LF. This is just common sense. And I can't think of a single player who plays one who couldn't competently play the other IRL.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">2024-10 NO. Is there really an epidemic of people having to release multiple players because of injuries? If so, maybe I'd reconsider.<br></div><div><br></div>
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On Friday, 23 August 2024 at 01:14:52 pm GMT-4, Michael Neff via Members <<a href="mailto:members@lists.ibl.org" target="_blank">members@lists.ibl.org</a>> wrote:
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<div>My thoughts...<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>2024-02 - In favor.
This helps address the 30 days IL players getting hit 3 times and
missing half the season while leaving some of the risk. If my
durability is 7 or higher it has no effect and if I have a large IL days
I'm playing with fire regardless.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div>2024-03 -
Against as proposed. I prefer the option Chris suggested on this as
well as the comments from Brett & Paul. I don't want my #2 starter
getting roughed up in the first inning and having to remove him after 15
BF. <br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div><div>2024-07 - In favor. Nearly every player who plays corner OF can handle either position. <br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div>2024-10
- Against. This would reduce an already thin FA pool. If you're hit
that hard by injuries then you need to work the trade wire more, even if
trading players at reduced values. If there were a limit of 1 player
on IR per team I could reconsider.
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I was going to send in my own ballot items for some of these issues but forgot to while distracted by a bunch of real-life stuff.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>2024-01<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Our free agent priority rules don't need a tweak. I will be voting NO.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>2024-02<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>This one I go back and forth on. While I definitely got impacted by double injuries this year (DET Maeda has only made 4 starts all year) my solution would've been to have it so that after a player has been injured for a number of days equal to their maximum injury, we reduce the maximum allowable injury from 100% -> 50% -> Extended -> Minor.<br clear="none"></div><div>I will be voting NO on this version.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>2024-03<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Yes, we definitely use pitchers in a way that would not happen in MLB. My thoughts are to limit to their BF limit + 9. I will be voting NO for this version.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>2024-04<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The symmetry of 3/4 to 4/3 of real usage remains for me the best way to handle it. Reducing the top end does nothing to deter smart managers. I will be voting NO.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>2024-05<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Allowing us more freedom to use our pitchers the way we want is a good thing. YES<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>2024-06<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Also agree with this -- more options for how to deploy pitchers is good. YES<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>2024-07<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>We can already creatively move guys around in the outfield. NO<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>2024-08<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>NO. Two injury roles are two separate chances to get hurt. Again, build your roster in a way to compensate for injuries.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>2024-09<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Despite having our current system in place, we still have teams who do not try to win as many games as possible to preserve their projected draft tier.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>This fixes no problem except allowing a good team that loses a wild card round to have a better draft pick. NO.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>2024-10<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>NO. Again, the price of having good players who are injury prone is to do better roster planning and management.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="m_-2769260248163284652ydp7606a50fyiv7232037756m_-1895391656266403626qt-sig22385677"><div>-- <br clear="none"></div><div> Chris Hartjes<br clear="none"></div><div> <a shape="rect" href="mailto:chartjes@littlehart.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">chartjes@littlehart.net</a><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>On Fri, Aug 16, 2024, at 2:33 AM, Russell Peltz via Members wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote id="m_-2769260248163284652ydp7606a50fyiv7232037756m_-1895391656266403626qt-qt" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>RESULTS<br clear="none"></div><div>-------<br clear="none"></div><div>Missing results:<br clear="none"></div><div>Week 17 EVE@OXY<br clear="none"></div><div>Week 17 WMS@SFL<br clear="none"></div><div>Week 17 MCM@WMS<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>MID-SEASON BALLOT<br clear="none"></div><div>-----------------<br clear="none"></div><div>I've compiled the mid-season ballot, and it is available for review<br clear="none"></div><div>at this link:<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.ibl.org/dokuwiki/doku.php/2024-ballot-proposals" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://wiki.ibl.org/dokuwiki/doku.php/2024-ballot-proposals</a><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>We will allow a short period of time for you to point out any potential<br clear="none"></div><div>issues with the ballot items that need to be corrected. Once any issues<br clear="none"></div><div>have been corrected, or if none are found, the ballot will be locked<br clear="none"></div><div>for changes and we will have a discussion period. After that we will<br clear="none"></div><div>set a deadline for voting.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Please review the items at the above link and let us know if you see<br clear="none"></div><div>any potential issues.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The mid-season ballot contains any ballot items that need to be voted<br clear="none"></div><div>on early, either because they take effect immediately, or because they<br clear="none"></div><div>may affect people's decisions before the offseason.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>We will have an off-season ballot for items which do not need to be voted<br clear="none"></div><div>on now.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>SCHEDULE<br clear="none"></div><div>--------<br clear="none"></div><div>Week 18 is a three-game series with August weather.<br clear="none"></div><div>Results will be due Monday, August 19, with a transaction deadline the next day.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Week 19 is also a three-game series with August weather.<br clear="none"></div><div>Results will be due Monday, August 26, with a transaction deadline the next day.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>ROTATIONS<br clear="none"></div><div>---------<br clear="none"></div><div>For week 18.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>BFD PIT Bido, MIA Cabrera, BOS Crawford<br clear="none"></div><div>BOW PHI Wheeler, FA, KC Lyles(-8) or CHA Urena<br clear="none"></div><div>BUF Gibson, Kopech, TBA<br clear="none"></div><div>CAN PIT Contreras, PIT Priester, SD Martinez<br clear="none"></div><div>EVE PHI Suarez, NYA King, NYN Senga<br clear="none"></div><div>GTY MIL Burnes, ARI NelsonR., CHN Wesneski<br clear="none"></div><div>KAT Eovaldi TEX, Yarbrough LAN, Singer KC<br clear="none"></div><div>MAD BAL Fujinami, SD Waldron, SEA Gilbert<br clear="none"></div><div>MCM PIT Ortiz, WAS Irvin -8, STL Matz -8<br clear="none"></div><div>NJR MIL Rea, ARI Mantiply, LAA Ohtani<br clear="none"></div><div>NYK NYA Weaver, CHA Cease, NYA Schmidt<br clear="none"></div><div>OXY missing results<br clear="none"></div><div>PHI MIL Peralta, LAN Gonsolin, COL Gomber (DTD)<br clear="none"></div><div>RRG ARI Henry, TEX Heaney, OAK Blackburn<br clear="none"></div><div>SCS CLE Bieber, CIN Williamson, NYA German<br clear="none"></div><div>SDQ MIL Houser, PHI Lorenzen, COL Anderson<br clear="none"></div><div>SEA SF Cobb, NYA Rodon, SD Lugo<br clear="none"></div><div>SFL missing results<br clear="none"></div><div>SFP PIT Keller, MIA Garrett, CIN Greene<br clear="none"></div><div>SKY SD Snell, BOS Pivetta, CHN Taillon<br clear="none"></div><div>SLG Gray MIN, Clevinger CHA, Ashcraft CIN<br clear="none"></div><div>WIS ATL Morton, SF Walker, OAK Sears<br clear="none"></div><div>WMS missing results<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>STANDINGS<br clear="none"></div><div>---------<br clear="none"></div><div>Through week 17<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>AC East W L Pct GB L2 Home Road Div Conf IP<br clear="none"></div><div>Kansas Tornados 62 47 0.569 -- 4-8 31-23 31-24 24-20 62-47 36<br clear="none"></div><div>So. FL Flamingos 59 48 0.551 2 4-5 28-24 31-24 28-16 59-48 36<br clear="none"></div><div>New Jersey Riptide 52 57 0.477 10 8-4 27-27 25-30 20-24 52-57 36<br clear="none"></div><div>Round Rock Gryphons 37 73 0.336 25.5 4-8 15-40 22-33 16-28 37-73 36<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>AC Central W L Pct GB L2 Home Road Div Conf IP<br clear="none"></div><div>Williamstown Thunder 60 44 0.577 -- 4-2 33-19 27-25 30-14 60-44 36<br clear="none"></div><div>Occidental Millers 48 60 0.444 14 3-7 29-24 19-36 19-26 48-60 36<br clear="none"></div><div>Philadelphia Phantasm 47 63 0.427 16 6-6 29-26 18-37 21-23 47-63 36<br clear="none"></div><div>Bowling Green Bandits 47 64 0.423 16.5 6-7 25-30 22-34 18-27 47-64 34<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>AC West W L Pct GB L2 Home Road Div Conf IP<br clear="none"></div><div>Motor City Marauders 67 40 0.626 -- 5-4 32-23 35-17 31-13 67-40 36<br clear="none"></div><div>Buffalo Raptors 64 46 0.582 4.5 8-4 31-24 33-22 20-24 64-46 35<br clear="none"></div><div>Monrovia Madness 55 54 0.505 13 7-5 30-25 25-29 21-23 55-54 36<br clear="none"></div><div>Everett Grays 51 55 0.481 15.5 4-5 31-24 20-31 16-28 51-55 36<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>NC East W L Pct GB L2 Home Road Div Conf IP<br clear="none"></div><div>Salt Lake Gulls 69 41 0.627 -- 9-3 34-21 35-20 25-19 69-41 36<br clear="none"></div><div>Wisconsin Wallbangers 64 46 0.582 5 6-6 30-25 34-21 25-19 64-46 36<br clear="none"></div><div>So. KY Hilltoppers 59 51 0.536 10 6-6 26-29 33-22 19-25 59-51 34<br clear="none"></div><div>San Diego Quakes 52 58 0.473 17 8-4 26-29 26-29 19-25 52-58 36<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>NC Central W L Pct GB L2 Home Road Div Conf IP<br clear="none"></div><div>S.F. Prairie Dogs 64 46 0.582 -- 5-7 35-20 29-26 31-13 64-46 34<br clear="none"></div><div>Sparkle City Sluggers 62 48 0.564 2 7-5 33-22 29-26 25-19 62-48 33<br clear="none"></div><div>Canberra Redbacks 51 59 0.464 13 4-8 30-25 21-34 18-26 51-59 36<br clear="none"></div><div>New York Knights 35 75 0.318 29 4-8 19-36 16-39 14-30 35-75 36<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>NC West W L Pct GB L2 Home Road Div Conf IP<br clear="none"></div><div>Seaside Rainiers 64 46 0.582 -- 9-3 37-18 27-28 24-20 64-46 36<br clear="none"></div><div>Baltimore Sand Crabs 51 59 0.464 13 6-6 24-31 27-28 26-18 51-59 36<br clear="none"></div><div>Berkley Fire Dragons 48 62 0.436 16 4-8 23-32 25-30 19-25 48-62 36<br clear="none"></div><div>Gettysburg Generals 41 69 0.373 23 4-8 25-30 16-39 19-25 41-69 36<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>TRANSACTIONS<br clear="none"></div><div>------------<br clear="none"></div><div><a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.ibl.org/dokuwiki/doku.php/2024-transactions" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://wiki.ibl.org/dokuwiki/doku.php/2024-transactions</a><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>August 14 (for week 18)<br clear="none"></div><div>-----------------------<br clear="none"></div><div>BFD<br clear="none"></div><div> - Signs DET Brieske<br clear="none"></div><div> - Activates KC Marsh, LAN Brasier<br clear="none"></div><div> - Deactivates CHN Palencia, LAN Sheehan<br clear="none"></div><div>BOW<br clear="none"></div><div> - Signs NYN Carrasco<br clear="none"></div><div> - Releases HOU Singleton<br clear="none"></div><div> - Activates NYN Carrasco<br clear="none"></div><div> - Deactivates CIN Lively<br clear="none"></div><div>BUF<br clear="none"></div><div> - Signs CIN Maile<br clear="none"></div><div> - Releases SF Schmitt<br clear="none"></div><div> - Activates CHN Madrigal, LAA Canning, SD Wilson<br clear="none"></div><div> - Deactivates CHA Kopech, MIN Sands<br clear="none"></div><div>CAN<br clear="none"></div><div> - Activates PIT Priester<br clear="none"></div><div> - Deactivates OAK Muller<br clear="none"></div><div>EVE<br clear="none"></div><div> - Signs BAL Baumann<br clear="none"></div><div> - Releases WAS Call<br clear="none"></div><div> - Activates BAL Baumann, PHI Suarez<br clear="none"></div><div> - 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Deactivates ARI Kelly, ATL Albies<br clear="none"></div><div>NYK<br clear="none"></div><div> - Signs BOS Ort<br clear="none"></div><div> - Releases WAS Smith<br clear="none"></div><div> - Activates BOS Ort, WAS Robles<br clear="none"></div><div> - Deactivates SD Campusano<br clear="none"></div><div>PHI<br clear="none"></div><div> - Signs CIN Law<br clear="none"></div><div> - Releases STL Baker<br clear="none"></div><div> - Activates CIN Law, COL Gomber, LAN Kershaw, NYA Wells<br clear="none"></div><div> - Deactivates BOS Hamilton, PIT Gonzales, SF Meckler<br clear="none"></div><div>RRG<br clear="none"></div><div> - Activates ARI Henry, OAK Blackburn, PIT Hayes<br clear="none"></div><div> - Deactivates DET Meadows, MIL Miley, MIN Miranda<br clear="none"></div><div>SCS<br clear="none"></div><div> - Activates CLE Bieber<br clear="none"></div><div> - Deactivates BOS Houck<br clear="none"></div><div>SDQ<br clear="none"></div><div> - Activates COL Anderson<br clear="none"></div><div> - Deactivates TB Civale<br clear="none"></div><div>SEA<br clear="none"></div><div> - 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