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<body><div>I know Sean will do the longer explanation and I don't want to misrepresent anything he says, but having been involved with Sean as the other person who has done a bunch of work on the game I thought I would add my thoughts.<br></div>
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<div>Every single season we have people who feel that one of their players got an undeserved rating on defense. Usually this is because they have bought into a reputation-based narrative for that player's skill. Just because a player makes some plays that end up on a highlight reel doesn't mean they are a great defender. Derek Jeter is the perfect example -- his "run to the right and make the jump throw" overshadowed his inability to get any ball hit to his left. Yet he won gold gloves because people remember the jump throw.<br></div>
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<div>Also, if we are being realistic, over the course of a season, how many more plays do you think Arenado will make at 3B in the IBL as opposed to Machado? 10? 50? I have no idea.<br></div>
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<div>We strive to try and create a game where we represent the proper talent level of a player. Defensive ratings are hard because we don't really have an idea of how much noise goes into the ratings:<br></div>
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<div>* defensive shifts<br></div>
<div>* how individual teams position their fielders outside of shifts<br></div>
<div>* how do players adjust for having "good" or "bad" fielders beside them<br></div>
<div>* impact of different surfaces at stadiums<br></div>
<div>* players hiding injuries that impact their play<br></div>
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<div>If it wouldn't cause endless complaining, I'd be okay with us modifying the ratings for range to be what Sean initially shares with us before the finely-grained ones come out. Having (to use a made-up example) Billy Hamilton be a "great" defender in CF causes less problems than arguing if he should be a C or a D.<br></div>
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<div>On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Doug Palmer wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"></span></span></span><br></div>
<p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium">I address this to all the IBL’ers as there may be one of you
out there with insight into my query.<span> </span>I
was going to address this only to Sean and Rusty as I’m sure they’re the ones
with the answers, but perhaps there are others out there who have asked the same
question in the past.</span></span></span><br></p><div><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"></span></span></span><br></div>
<p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium">My question involves the range rating for the players and
how they are determined.<span> </span>Maybe it’s
because “range” is hard to objectively define, but when I watch a game, there
are certain players who seem to have a reputation to be able to get to
EVERYTHING hit their way, Nolan Arenado and Manny Machado for example, are
always on Sportcenter highlights getting to balls that seem impossible to get
to.<span> </span>We’ve all seen the shots of Arenado
diving to a ball deep in the hole and gunning a runner out, or Manny so far
into foul territory that he’s practically in the dugout, yet nails the guy at
first.<span> </span>But that doesn’t translate to
this game for some reason.<span> </span>Arenado is a
C range player and Manny is a D.</span></span></span><br></p><div><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"></span></span></span><br></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium">Now, relatively speaking, Arenado seems to be the best
fielding 3B in the IBL (range wise). His 8/C rating at third really doesn’t
seem to be beat.<span> </span>So I headed on over to
Fangraphs and looked at defensive metrics from last year.<span> </span>First, I wanted to look at UZR (ultimate zone
rating) which is one of the metrics that stats guys use to determine defensive
prowess.<span> </span>And I get the following:</span></span></span><br></div>
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<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><div><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></span></span></span></span></span><br></div>
<p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span>UZR shows that Anthony Rendon with his 13.6 rating is FAR
better than Nolan Arenado.<span> </span>But Rendon is
a 9/D thirdbaseman and Arenado is a 8/C.<span> </span>Arenado has a better range, so UZR can’t be the metric.<span> </span>So I next looked at RngR which seems to be a
metric as to how many runs a fielder saves by getting to balls in his vicinity.<span> </span>And again, Rendon is far and away the best:</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span><span><img src="cid:ii_jf9oui8u1_162679d4d102b6b4" width="534" height="173"></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span></span></span></span></span><br></p><div><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span><span></span></span></span></span></span><br></div>
<p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></span></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span><span>I looked at defensive WAR, Error Runs (ErrR) and nothing
that puts Arenado ahead of Rendon.<span> </span>So
then I looked at more 3B to see if any pattern arose and I couldn’t.<span> </span>The following players have a D range at 3B:
Machado, Rendon, Donaldson, Freese and <i><u>Jace
Peterson</u></i> to name but a few.<span> </span>Jace
Peterson?<span> </span>He’s not even on any of these
lists, but he’s a D range 3B.<span> </span>Granted
Jace is a part time player and would have a limited sample size, but here are
his defensive numbers:</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><img src="cid:ii_jf9ov3dp2_162679db6cb8c6f7" width="534" height="173"><br></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><div><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span><span></span></span></span></span></span><br></div>
<p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span><span></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span><span></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span>So I’m confused.<span> </span>And
if anyone knows how range is handled in PtP/IBL, I sure would be curious to
know.<span> </span>And I apologize for the long
email.<span> </span>I tried to be as brief as
possible <span class="font" style="font-family:Wingdings"><span>J</span></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span>Thanks!</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span>Doug Palmer</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0in;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><span>Baltimore
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